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'''La questionQuestion de Thibaut [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-November/094062.html] :'''
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Hi everyone,
 
On the French Wikipedia we're currently reworking our help page about redirects and some of us would like to include a section about common misconceptions, especially those described at <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups/About_fixing_redirects&oldid=988508313>.
redirects and some of us would like to include a section about common
misconceptions, especially those described at
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups/About_fixing_redirects&oldid=988508313>.
 
However one user who's used to "fix" redirects is strongly opposed because "this page is from 2006" and it's "unsourced".[1]
because "this page is from 2006" and it's "unsourced".[1]
 
So I would like to ask the sysadmins from Wikimedia and the MediaWiki developers who are following this mailing list: is this page created in 2006 still true and relevant in 2020?
developers who are following this mailing list: is this page created in
2006 still true and relevant in 2020?
 
Thank you.
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Salut à tous,
 
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Sincères amitiés,<br>
[[User:Thibaut120094]]
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'''La réponseRéponse d'AntiCompositeNumber [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-November/094064.html] :'''
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While the specifics may have changed over time, the general point of the page is correct -- "fixing" a redirect will use significantly more server time than clicking on one. When you click a redirect, MediaWiki queries the redirect table to see where you should go instead. Reads from the database like this are fast. However, when you edit the page to "fix" a redirect, MediaWiki has to save the edit, update the links tables, re-render the HTML, invalidate the cache, and serve the new HTML, among other things.
While the specifics may have changed over time, the general point of
the page is correct -- "fixing" a redirect will use significantly more
server time than clicking on one. When you click a redirect, MediaWiki
queries the redirect table to see where you should go instead. Reads
from the database like this are fast. However, when you edit the page
to "fix" a redirect, MediaWiki has to save the edit, update the links
tables, re-render the HTML, invalidate the cache, and serve the new
HTML, among other things.
 
>From a reader's perspective, there's no performance difference between clicking a redirect and clicking any other internal link. We're talking milliseconds here, if that. If you wanted to really improve the performance of a page, remove all the images. (Note: do not do this.)
clicking a redirect and clicking any other internal link. We're
talking milliseconds here, if that. If you wanted to really improve
the performance of a page, remove all the images. (Note: do not do
this.)
 
This falls under <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_worry_about_performance>: let the developers and the operations folk worry about performance. If you're already making an edit to an article and you feel like bypassing a few redirects, go ahead and knock yourself out. But going out of your way to "fix" links to redirects is just a waste of your time.
This falls under
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_worry_about_performance>:
let the developers and the operations folk worry about performance. If
you're already making an edit to an article and you feel like
bypassing a few redirects, go ahead and knock yourself out. But going
out of your way to "fix" links to redirects is just a waste of your
time.
 
ACN
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Si les détails ont pu changer avec le temps, l'idée générale de la page reste correcte {{incise|« corriger » une redirection mobilisera significativement plus de temps pour les serveurs que de cliquer sur celle-ci|fin}}. Quand vous cliquez sur une redirection, MediaWiki effectue une requête sur la table des redirections pour savoir où vous devriez aller. Ce genre de lecture de la base de données est rapide. En revanche, quand vous modifiez la page pour « corriger » une redirection, MediaWiki doit enregistrer la modification, mettre à jour les tables de liens, réinterprétergénérer le nouveau rendu HTML, invalider le cache et servirdistribuer le nouvel HTML, entre autres choses.
 
''Du point de vue des lecteurs, il n'y a aucune différence de performance entre'' cliquer sur une redirection et cliquer sur n'importe quel autre lien interne. Nous parlons ici de millisecondes, au plus. Si vous voulez réellement améliorer les performances d'une page, supprimez toutes les images. (Note : ne faites pas ça.)
 
Ceci relève de <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_worry_about_performance>[<nowiki/>[[Wikipédia:Ne vous préoccupez pas de performance]], NDT] : laissez les développeurs et les opérateurs se préoccuper des performances. Si en marge d'une modification que vous effectuez déjà sur un article, il vous prend l'envie de contourner quelques redirections, allez-y et faites-vous plaisir. Mais fairese toutmettre sonen possiblequatre pour « corriger » des liens vers des redirections est juste une perte de temps.
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'''Autre réponseRéponse d'Andreas Papacharalampous [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-November/094063.html] :''', antérieure à celle d'AntiCompositeNumber :
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the page was created in 2006 [1], but i don't think it's up to date for 2020. the last couple of "constructive" edits were from 2006-2011 but i'm not sure.
2020. the last couple of "constructive" edits were from 2006-2011 but i'm
not sure.
 
[1]:
https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation%20popups/About%20fixing%20redirects
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La page a été créée en 2006 <https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation%20popups/About%20fixing%20redirects > mais je ne pense pas qu'elle soit à jour pour 2020. Les dernières modifications « constructives » datent de 2006-2011, mais je ne suis pas certain.<br>--andreas
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